trinity:
Father, SOn, and holy Spirit in one

pero yung 3ng god (Father, SOn, and holy Spirit) ay representation lang ng IIsang God
base sa kanilang work and Purpose. then yung iisang God ay tinatawag na God head.

then yung 3 God ay present na fron the beginning ng creation.

malalim na discussion toh if ever...

so bale my 3 God?

dba my 1 God lang?

Try ko sumagot base sa pagkakaintindi ko sa trinity. Again like what I said, malalim na discussion toh. Pero it's good thing din na pagusapan toh, we're church musician's and dapat alam natin toh.

First clear sa bible old and new na God represents himself in 3 person like what caleb oink said, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.

Gen 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Sabi dyan "LET US" meaning may kausap sya. After OUR likeness. I dont think na angels ang kausap ng Lord dito, coz angels did not created man. And correct me if im wrong, angels are not made in God's image.

And one good example siguro sa new testament is this:

Matthew 3:16-17 "And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."

Dyan naman Jesus was baptized, ok Jesus went up from the water, and the Spirit of God was descending, and there was a voice from heaven. Malinaw na ang trinity ay present on this scene.

Sa pagkaintindi ko GOD is Tri-Unity, meaning na with each person of the Godhead equally and fully God. Yet all are one.

Although sa iba magulo to, I think one good example is Mag-asawa. Sabi sa bible:

Mark 10:8 "and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one."

They are not two but one?? Example ang father and mother ko is ONE sabi sa bible. They are no longer two, but one. Pero your father and mother has seperate indentity, yet, they are one.

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Si God the father is the one who is in the 3rd heaven... at nandun lang xa lagi...
ung 2 lang ung laging nandito sa mundo...

Si jesus Ung nagsasalita sa genesis... ung sa creation ng man... sya nag create sa atin... and nagAppear na xa sa old testament... xa daw si "Melchizedek"

Hebrews 6:20
where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.

si Holyspirit xa ung pinaka working man na part of trinity...

hahaha... hasn't any body learned that God is the Creator of ALL.. even Mathematics...

5 loaves + 2 fish = 12 Basket Full of left overs

therefore 1 = 3 and 3 = 1 etc. etc..

.. seriously .. its something that we can understand when He comes back to get us.. it's difficult for man to understand this.. even we cannot understand ourselves diba.. ;-)

so what if naka encounter ka ng mormons, oneness, or etc n di naniniwala? panu mu idedefend un belief mu? give me an example. . , =)

hi otm! Paano idedefend Faith natin? di pende bro. f alam ko na interesdao sya sa doctrina edi invite ko sya sa church? im sure di sya makatatanggi f talagang naghahanap sya ng katotohanan. Mahirap pag usapan ang trinity ng usap usap lang i mean yung bang tipong napadaan lang. kadalasan sa pagtatalo nauuwi. i remember nung college ako dami me naka debate sa school, dating daan, mmcc, oneness,roman catholic, etc. at sa mga yun madalas ang tumatangap ng pagkatalo ay yung mga talagang nag hahanap ng katotohanan. Minsan na kadebate me yung oneness tumawag pa siya sa bahay namin. edi nag 3-way kami. yung isa roman catholic sya yung moderator namin. sinabi nya stand nya(oneness). sinabi ko stand ko. ending na educate lang sya about trinity pero di nya pa rin tinanggap.

kasi bro. mas mauunawaan natin ang trinity sa mata ng pananampalataya. though wala sa bible yung word na trinity pero makikita mo naman ang pagkilos ng iisa at tunay na DIYOS, bilang Diyos AMA, Diyos Anak at Diyos Espiritu Santo. Mahirap unawain at tanggapin iyun ng isang taong walang pananampalataya.

example #1:
"As soon as Jesus Christ was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and landing on him. And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'"[Matt. 3:16–17] [Mark 1:10–11] [Luke 3:22] [John 1:32]

makikita natin dito ang pagkilos ng Diyos AMA, Diyos Anak at Diyos Espiritu Santo. ang paniniwala ng oneness ang ama at anak ay iisa, yung ama sya rin yung anak. sabi ko sa kanya(sa kadebate ko dati) paano mo ipapaliwanag ang verse na ito?
sabi nya edi tatlo ang DIYOS? sabi ko mahirap kasi na unawain iyan sa isipan ng tao dapat gumamit ka ng faith. kung sinasabi ng bible na iisa ang Diyos e di panampalatayaan mo! kung sinasabi ng bible na mayroong Diyos Ama, Diyos Anak at Diyos Espiritu edi panampalatayanan mo!

example #2:
sa Genesis 1:1-3 makikita mo na pag kilos ng GODHEAD.
sa Genesis 1:26-27 sabi ..."Let us make human beings in our image, in our likeness,...So God created human beings in his own image,in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

pansinin mo. ako may katawang Lupa,may kaluluwa at may espiritu. may kanya kanyang function ito. yung katawang lupa- pisikal na tahanan ko. yung Kaluluwa ito ang dahilan kung bakit ako umiiyak,tumatawa,etc.(kadalasan nga pag may pusakal na tao sinasabihan natin wala kang puso! wala kang kaluluwa!) yung espiritu ko ang nakikipag usap sa Diyos. pero di mo sasabihin na ang katawang lupa ko, kaluluwa ko at espiritu ko ay iisa. mag kakaiba sila. pero hindi mo rin sasabihin na tatlong tao ako, isa lang ako.

.....at madami pang patunay sa bible about trinity!

Paalala: sa debate maaaring manalo ka pero ma lost mo ang soul ng kadebate mo.

bottom line: once na na share me na Faith ko sa kanila its up to them kung tatanggapin nila or hindi. ang mahalaga na share me na sa kanila at hindi na me accountable sa soul nila. Wala naman akong dapat patunayan sa kanila.

GOD BLESS!!!

isa sa pinaka tinandaan ko na sinabi ng tatay ko sakin.

wag na wag papasok sa debate, lalo kung hindi ka sure saisasagot mo, kasi ang common ay aral yung mga pinapadala nila, lagi lang daw may sweet ezit sa ganun, kesa na manalo sila dahil hindi sure sa sagot.

kagaya po nang sinabi ko sa una kong post,

iisa lang po ang GOd at yung tatlo ay representation ng One God,

...oo tama!! There is only one God.. but there is representation of God that covers us!!

I agree...

II. The Trinity
Keyphrases: One True God - Three Persons, as revealed(revelation)

1. One True God – (Deut. 6:4), commands to Israel when they’re about to possess the promised land where the residents around are idolatrous(worshipping gods).
2. Three Persons, as revealed - The Father, The Son Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit
Scriptures / Incidents: Matthew 3:16-17; Mark 1:9-11 / the Baptism of Jesus
John 17 / Jesus praying to the Father
John 14:16-17; 16:5-15 / Jesus talked of the Holy Spirit as promised
OT. Gen. 1:26 / the account in creation suggests the Three Persons in
‘conference’

Drawing: Visual
Illustration
of Three in One
Godhead
(Sorry, i can't copy-paste the drawing from my manuscript. i don't know how to do it here. Just imagine the BIG ONE CIRCLE and inside it are the 3 small circles in same proportions/sizes)

ONE - in creation as co-creators, in nature as Spirit for God is Spirit, in purpose and work AND/BUT revealed as THREE distinct personalities in function and work.

tapos na siguro naliwanagan na tayo about sa trinity,

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kung kulang pa explanation sa inyo... punta nlang kau sa TRINITY College (former name niya) sa QC.. hehehe

...ahh! oo .. merung gnung skul.. hehehe!! anu kaya mga subjects merun dun na related sa trinity... hehehe