sa pagtotono po do - mi - sol pattern ko. from floor tom to tom 1. sa snare banat pareho ang skin top and bottom.

...hahaha! kk2wa.. dmeng lesson.. pEo conclude kOh Poh.. It is important to kNow what a drummer can do to music.. It gives energy.. it makes a music alive.. And the most fact is .. The drummer should always enjoy giving the best beat that he or she can make.. And olweis remember that God is evey beat that we make.. It's all for God.. If you would ask me, in a question of "what kind of a drummer are you??" I am a drummer na nding ndi umuupo hnggat may bgat sa aking dibdib., pag may pRoblem.. Notice! pansin nYu, d kau mka palo ng mhusay pag mraming iniisip.. Di mgaan ung pkirmdam nyu.. dba? That's why God explain Why certain drummers cannot give and excel to the best..Ksi hnhyaan nlang 2mu2g2g cLa na merung sma ng Loob. Most probably, pa glt ka sa mga kteam.. There's nO unity that exist .. coz may sama ng loob ee.. ok? haha! npahaba ako! thanks ! God Bless ..

I agree... actually kahit sa anung ministry pa, dapat ganon ung attitude natin... Amen... Glory to God...
-Romans 12:1
1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual[a] act of worship.

tama kapatid may mga drummers din na nag totono gamit ang triad or any triads. madami kasi pd gawin pag tuning na usapan. i heard yung iba nga naka circle of fifths pa. uhmmm... share me lang experience me sa drums tuning... dati kasi na puzzle me sa drums tuning eto yung mga kakaiba me na ginawa.

1. naisipan me gamitin yung guitar tuner namin para itono drums namin. kc yung guitar tuner may built in mic. halimbawa yung bass drum tinono me sa key of e, edi pihit ako ng pihit sa slug ng drums hangang makuha me yung key of e, inabot ako ng mga 2 - 3 hrs sa pag tono. kaso mga ilang padyak lang nawawala na sa key of e. bigla me natauhan na iyong guitar key ay naka design pang tono ng gitara hindi drums. sinabi ko nalang sa sarili me atleast na experience ko at wala na me tanong na what if? (try nyo f u want he... he... he...)

2. sabi kasi nila dapat even daw o pantay pantay ang pihit kada slug. e sigurista me kaya gumamit ako ng dalawang drum keys, sabay me pinipihit.

at lumipas ang maraming panahon nag e-experiment pa rin me sa tunog ng drums me.

Blessed Drumming!

malalaman mo kung talgang drummer sia, kung diplinado sia,, tma b?;-)

ako po me tnong ,, panu po mapapnatili ung gnda ng palo.,,^^

rudiments kapatid! kung ang gitara may mga pentatonic,ionian,at samut - saring leaks or lead pattern. tayong mga drummer may rudiments. dipende nlang sau kung anu gusto u na gamitin yung 40 rudiments ng PAS or yung Hybrid rudiments. http://www.pas.org/Learn/Rudiments/RudimentsOnline.aspx
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/hybrid_rudiments.php
or i type mo sa google yung 128 rudiments pdf.

Practice lang u lagi rudiments pampaganda ng chop. etc.

e2 ilan sa mga rudiemnts na lagi me pina-pratice:

1. RRR RRR - TRIPLETS LEADING RIGHT HAND
2. LLL LLL - TRIPLETS LEADING LEFT HAND
3. RLR RLR - HAND TO HAND TRIPLETS LEADING RIGHT HAND
4. LRL LRL - HAND TO HAND TRIPLETS LEADING LEFT HAND
5. RLRL LRLR - ALTERNATING SINGLE STROKE
6. RRLL LLRR - ALTERNATING DOUBLE STROKE
7. RLRR LRLL - PARA DIDDLE
ETC.
PAHABOL: pwede u rin gamitin pang practice sa paa.

Blessed Drumming!

Love that..

Got nose bleed..

Want to play drums..

sa akin ang magaling na drummer hindi nakikita yan sa galing. kc ang galing eh nakukuha yan kung pano mag ensayo ang isang drumer. makikita mo ang isang drumer kung umupo na sya sa drums panget man o hindi kaya nyang patunugin na drumer sya at ilabas ang pagiging drumer nya. in short to say kaya nyang dalin ang sarili nya. at hindi mayabang. yun lang.

yan ang tinatawag na attitude na dapat meron ang isang drummer =D

in my point of view being a skilled drummer is secondary, what i seek most is How anointed is the drummer. That is the difference between secular drummer and christian drummer. seek and pray for the anointing of the LORD! skills and attitude will follow.

...yes!! sarap mag drums kpag inspired ka nuh!! alm nyu, ang mga anak ng Diyos lalu na ung mga nagppgamit sa knYa.. mas hgit pa tau sa mga professionals dyan... cmpre, mas hhgit pa tau dun kung inspired tau... laalu na kung na toch mu ang presence ni gO d na nsau... sarp pumalo... and that's how a drummer must be!!!

Being an anointed drummer requires so much, such as regular practice and deep relationship with God.. I agree to what drummerrai said.. Practice really makes perfect, both spiritual and and actual performance.. And what is also important, is that you love what you are doing.. Worshipping God through drumming would be easy if we are focused on what the Lord wants us to do..

musta na kapatid na sam! d2 ka na rin pala. welcome!!!
bro. about dun sa sinabi mo na

uhmmm...
ang katotohanan nyan bro. ay "Correct Practice makes it perfect!" kasi kahit masipag ka na mag practice kung mali naman ang pag practice mo eh di obviously mali din yung resulta. kaya kung mag papractice tayo dapat aware tayo na tama ang pina practice natin. God Bless!!!

hmmmm... my point of view is a little different.. Skill is not secondary nor Spirituality.. I think both should be of the same level.. we cannot attain perfection in skill nor in Spirituality right here right now.. We achieve it when we are with the Lord na diba? but we strive to achieve both.. so we practice what we preach and believe and we practice to better our skill...

they should be equal I think... just a personal thought...

Ako same here kay sean...

Kaya nga ang PS ay with Integrity of the Heart, and Skillful Hands. They both go together dapat. Hindi pwedeng puro anointing lang, God will not anoint an empty head. Parang sa school, pwedeng pray ka ng pray pero di ka naman nag review. Wala rin. Or faith without action is dead. Hindi rin pwedeng puro skill lang, like sabi ni Ptr Tinio last sunday, pag wala ang Spirit ng Lord, it's not Christian, kahit Christian song pa yan.

Ang isa sa mga ayokong ayokong scene sa church ay yung may kakanta at sasabihin "Pag pasensyahan nyo na po ang kanta ko hindi masyado maganda, at di masyado praktisado, pero alam naman po ng Lord ang heart ko, God looks at the heart."

sir, i agree sa sinabi mo na

pero yung kasunod di me yata na gets?

di ko yata na gets kapatid? ang paniniwala ko kasi at this point of time pag nag seek ka ng anointing ng LORD. skills will follow, therefore Pag anointed ka ng LORD... skillful ka na rin. (though may mga levels ang skills, merong halimaw,merong mas halimaw sa halimaw, yung iba sa sobrang skilled minsan tinatawag natin na alien or taga-ibang planeta!)

Skill and anointing go hand in hand. When you get better as a musician, that should raise the level of the anointing and when the anointing on your life is raise that should make you a better musican....

God Bless us!

i Think mali yung word na nagamit ko? siguro dapat hindi ko ginamit yung mga salita na "skilled drummer is secondary" to emphasis ang kahalagahan ng anointing.

medyo mahaba haba ata sagot ko dito..

first off.. what is anointing? I guess we should be careful with using the word anointing because it is often times mis-used or mis-understood.. in the old testament kasi when we say anointed with skill by God's Spirit.. the effect is awesome!! at times instant super human or skill set that is superb and divine!!

let's not use it on that context right now, Old testament is Old testament, we are living in the NEW.. when we seek God and be a TRUE BELIEVER FOLLOWER.. your Spiritually would be stronger.. but it's not instant, and not everything follows automatically.. Paul said, work out your salvation with fear and trembling.. everyday you work it out, and that goes with leveling up your skill.. YOU WORK AT IT, IT DOES NOT FOLLOW YOUR SPIRITUAL GROWTH!

when we say that he is an anointed musician, its how he impacts the listeners thru his playing and God's Spirit moving in tandem.. using the skill that was practiced and refined thru a process or learning thru time, also just like growing spiritually.

but again, God's move will not depend on your skill level, its how connected you are that brings out a difference in how you use what you currently have.. if you're an awful drummer, keyboard player or singer.. at times God can use that and touch people, given a certain moment or situation.. but is it NOT our responsibility as ministers to level up?? (work on our skill, invest on what the Lord gave you).. to minimize the distraction that will help people to focus on worship or the message we are trying to give..

If you're a PAstor, work out, practice public speaking.. read read read.. with the Spirit of God guiding you.. your messages would really touch people and God's Anointing would be exemplified.. if your a Musician.. then grow Spiritually also working out you Spiritual life everyday, in tandem with improving your skill...

Nothing is Instant.. we all go thru a process.. ;-) BUT GOD HAS HIS ON WAYS...

Humahanga ako sa mga insights na ibinahbahagi ng bawat isa sa inyo, mga Kuya. Mga Kuya na nga kayo. Hehehehehe...

Me mga tanong lang ako para lalong maging malinaw sa akin ang issues about anointing and skills.

Nang mabasa ko ang thread na ito ay napaisip ako...paano makikita kung anointed ang drummer when he is not playing alone? Di ba mas angkop na sabihin na anointed yung group?

Unlike kasi sa ibang instruments, pwede sila magperform ng solo and be judged if anointed individual ba sila or not. Drummer kasi awkward na puro drum solo gawin. Hehehehehe...

In my personal opinion, skills is very important in performing arts much more sa paglilingkod sa Diyos. Yes, there are times na ang pakikialam ng Diyos ay kinakailangan lalo na kung ang mga musikero sa isang gawain ay nagsisimula pa lang pero pinaniniwalaan ko na responsibilidad natin na paghusayan o paghusayin ang talentong ipinagkatiwala sa atin. Sabi nga sa Genesis 2:15 "Inilagay ng Diyos ang tao sa hardin upang ito ay bungkalin at pagyamanin." Gayundin, we need to make effort to hone our skills and offer it to God at the best that we can. Pagyamanin natin ang mga talentong kaloob ng Diyos sa atin. Pagpalin tayo ni Lord!

@drummerai
Correct me if I'm wrong po. In my opinion, TALENT or SKILL is the natural ability to create. It can be enhanced by training and practice. Being ANOINTED is the very power of God that uses that SKILL to accomplish God's purpose or plan.

God has given musicians the raw talent to create. Again, training and practice help refine that talent. But when it comes to doing an assignment or accomplishing a task for God involving your skill, it can ONLY be done with the empowerment from God working with the basic skill. No matter what level of natural skill and experience musicians has, they can not accomplish something of Kingdom value without yielding your skill to the Holy Spirit.

Meaning no matter how yield you are with the Holy Spirit(Anointed), you have to practice or enhance your skill. But in the same way you cannot move in God's way without the anointing. That's what I meant when I say na puro anointing lang. So both go hand in hand nga. God will not anoint an empty head and in the same way a skillful musician cant move in God's way without the anointing.

Anyway, I think we have the same point naman na anointing and skill should go hand in hand. They should be on the same level. :)

@nivlek
I think magkaiba ang group anointing. Mas mabigat yun sa group kasi may masama na isang may sabit, apektado ang team.

I agree... :-( that's the sad part.. kaya nga "am I my brother's keeper?" ... if we are a team.. making sure your team member is ok thru talks.. ang mahirap yung nagtatago or magaling magtago.. di mo alam mabubulaga ka na lang.. :-(

     Ok let me share to you guys what is my stand about anointing. Alam naman natin lahat na we are now living in New Testament. Para mas maunawaan natin ang Old Testament, kailangan din nating kumunsulta sa New Testament. In my point of view Ang New Testament scriptures ay parang isang “lente” na tumutulong sa atin upang mas maunawaan natin ang Old Testament scriptures.

     Ngunit, huwag natin kalimutan na ang Old Testament Scriptures ay still part parin ng God’s eternal Word.   Isaiah 40:8 says, “The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.”

Let us Begin by studying the pictures of anointing foreshadowed in the Old Testament

ORIGIN OF THE WORD “ANOINT”

     In Old Testament the Hebrew word for anoint is  משׁח  mâshach    maw-shakh' and is used 69 times. This word means to apply oil by pouring, spreading or smearing it upon the object or person being anointed.

Anointing was used for three important purposes in the OLD Testament.

First, it was used to consecrate: to set aside for a holy use, as in certain physical objects. The devoting or setting apart of anything to the worship or service of God. (example: Exodus 30:26-29)

Second, the act of anointing, though done by human agent, was considered to be from God. A clear example of this is when Samuel anointed Saul (1 Samuel 10:1;) and David (1 Samuel 16:12-13;) to serve as kings over Israel (2 Samuel 12:7). This anointing represented God’s choosing and calling of an individual to be His appointed servant.

Third, this anointing was, in some cases, accompanied by a divine enablement. This was from God and directly associated with accomplishing the task that God had assigned to the person being anointed (1 Samuel 16:1-13; 2 Kings 2:9-15).

Three different words are used in the New Testament for “anoint”. Each of these words reveals a different aspect of anointing.

1. ἀλείφω   aleiphō   al-i'-fo (used eight times): actual physical rubbing on of oil or ointment (Mark 6:13;Luke 7:38,46;)

2. χρίω    chriō    khree'-o (used five times): indicates a special appointment or commission by God that sets the person(s) apart to fulfill a given assignment (Luke 4:18; Acts 10:38; 2 Corinthians 1:21; Hebrews 1:9).

3. Χρίσμα    chrisma    khris'-mah (used three times): an empowerment by the Holy Spirit to know what is true and right; the power of the Holy Spirit working in tandem with the word of God in the heart of the believer.

       Anointing in the Old Testament was a ritual of great significance. The anointing of Physical objects, priest, prophets and kings consecrated them to God’s purposes. However, we must note that this anointing was only a foreshadowing of what God would fulfill under the New Testament. When Jesus had finished His God-appointed work on earth (John 17:4; 19:30), He promised to send us the Holy Spirit (John 7:37-39). What was foreshadowed by type in the Old Testament with pouring or spreading of oil (anointing) was now to become a full reality for the believers in Jesus Christ in the New Testament. This was begun when God the Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost (Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:1-39).

     Kaya yung sinabi na ko na anointing sa forum na ito last March 8, 2010 around 5:43 pm na that is in the context of χρίω  chriō   khree'-o   which indicates a special appointment or commission by God that sets the person(s) apart to fulfill a given assignment (Luke 4:18; Acts 10:38; 2 Corinthians 1:21; Hebrews 1:9).

     Kasi pwede kang maging skillfull pero hindi ka anointed! I mean para sa akin iba kasi yung skills ng anointed , kaysa sa skills ng hindi anointed. Being skillfull doesn’t mean you are anointed! Being anointed (χρίω chriō khree'-o) or being commission by God to fulfill a given assignment involves skills. That skills is not from ours, its from GOD! He only use us as His vessel.

     Napansin nyo naba na misan during Praise and Worship may mga grooves tayo na nagawa at nagugulat ka na lang kasi alam mo na hindi mo kaya yun pero bigla mong nagawa? That is the example ng skills na sinasabi ko. I believe ang Holy Spirit na ang kumilos nun. Kasi alam mo na umabot ka na sa limitasyon mo at that time pero nagawa mo pa rin. At dahil sa mabuti ang Lord napapasin natin na madalas na nating nagagawa ang groove na dati ay hindi natin kaya. At that point nadadagdagan ang skills natin thru the anointing of the LORD.

     Simple lang naman ang pananaw ko sa Pag tugtog. Lagi akong nag a-ask sa LORD kung ano ang gagawin ko. May mga times na poste lang ako mula simula ng kanta hangang matapos ang isang kanta. Minsan naman lalo na pag Worship puro Cymbals lang. Depende sa leading ng LORD. Ang sarap talaga sa presence ng LORD!

     On what basis does God give this anointing? God does not anoint on the basis of intelligence, education, experience, or abilities. The anointing is not based on outward appearance. It is based on the attitude of the heart. Let me share to you this beautiful story from 1 Samuel 16:6-13.


     God anointed David because of the attitude and condition of his heart. God looks at what you are inside. (Im not saying na hindi mo na kailangan pagyamanin ang skills mo, importante na mag aral tayo at mag practice!)

     God anoints people to specific spiritual offices, positions, and callings. Many Musicians fail because they do not recognize this fact. They try to perform ministries to which they have neither been called or anointed:

• Read I Samuel 13:8-14. When King Saul tried to serve in an office for which he had received no anointing, he was judged and rejected by God.
• Read Acts 19:13-16. When the seven sons of a priest named Sceva tried to minister in an anointing they did not possess, they experienced difficulties.

     Minister in your own anointing or you will be ineffective and experience great difficulties in ministry. Medyo napahaba ako sige hangang dito na lang muna. God Bless Us All!

It is true that anointing and skill should go hand in hand. But for me it doesn’t mean na they should be on the same level. Why? kasi sa palagay ko kahit anong gawin nating practice hindi natin kayang pantayan ang anointing na ipinagkakaloob ng LORD. Kaya nasabi ko dun sa forum last march 8, 2010 around 5:43 pm na

kasi mas gusto kung bigyang diin na mas maganda pa rin na mas litaw na anointed kung tumugtog kaysa sa ang nakikita ay yung skillfull kapag tumugtog. (though walang masama sa pagiging skillfull as long na its give Glory to GOD).

Minsan pag katapos nating tumugtog may mga comments tayo na madirinig. May nag sasabi na

Yung iba ito ang sinasabi alam naman natin na walang masama na i-express ng isang tao yung nararamdaman nya na pag hanga sa pag tugtog natin. Ngunit bilang musikero ng Panginoon sa ating pagtugtog first of all ang DIYOS ang dapat naitaas hindi ang sarili natin. (“More of You (GOD) and Less of Me attitude”). Malaki kasi ang danger pag wala ang anointing sa pagtugtog. After all the anointing of the HOLY SPIRIT separates us all from the secular musicians.

In the end, ibinahagi ko lang ang pananaw ko sa anointing at kahalagahan nito. I’m not correcting you bro. and im not saying na tama ka mali ako or mali ka tama ako. Hindi naman natin maiaalis na may mga differences tayo sa pagtingin kasi nga may free will tayo kung ano ang paniniwalaan natin.

What matter most is that mag kakapatid tayo sa Panginoon at “we Worship GOD in spirit and in truth” – John 4:24. One of my goal in sharing this topic is to remind us and encourage us to ask God to anoint our musicianship. Do not misunderstand me. We should always strive harder and continue to improve our skills, but in the midst of it all let us always remember that all the beauty without anointing is empty. Let us be a worshipper as we play our instrument. Remember we are ministers not performers. In context with our Sunday Worship and Word Service, Kasama tayong mga musikero sa paghahanda sa mga tao sa pakikinig nila ng word of GOD. What an awesome privilege! God Bless us All!

Nope, if I'm wrong I'm always willing to be corrected bro. :)
Kaya nga sabi ko sa post ko "Correct me if I'm wrong. Lalo na kung may nasabi akong mali.

I guess kasi we have difference in which context we are referring to, I think sean and I we're referring to the spiritual side or how deep we are sa relationship sa Lord when we say anointing(Sean correct me if I'm wrong). Kasi in my opinion God moves in a certain person if he/she has an intimate relationship with the Lord. So in what he/she does God's Spirit moves. And kasama din dun yun sensitivity nya w/ God's spirit. So what I'm referring to the same level of anointing and skill is that dapat ang Spiritual life natin is maayos and at the same time ang skill natin. So nag me-meet sila. Katulad pa rin ng sinasabi ko last post na God will not anoint an empty head.

And still all my post have the tendency to get wrong, and everyone can correct me if that's the case. Siguro in the end mahirap din sabihin kung anointed ka nga, or anointed si ganito, or skilled lang si ganito. In the end we should strive harder to get closer, and intimate sa Lord, and at the same time enrich our God-given skill, after all it came from HIM din, it's a borrowed gift na we should always be thankful of and gave back to HIM the GLORY.

God Bless us Guys! :)

can u guyz tell me if the drummer is annointed, even he/she is not good(skill) in playing drums?
or rather, how can you tell if the drummer is annointed?
is it based on how good is his performance? or how deep is his relation w/ God?

tama ka dun bro na
pero is not anointing. what i mean is yung lalim ng isang tao sa LORD ay hindi na ngangahulugan na anointed na siya. sa tingin ko iba kasi ang spiritual maturity sa anoining bro. i will explain later got to go na bro.

mga ser, sino pa merong kopya nito sa inyo? yung gathering naten sa JOHIA. nawala kasi kopya ko. sana may nakapagtabi pa ng kopya.

tama! hahaha!